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Morton Marcus: Well, good evening everybody, this is Morton Marcus, and this is The Poetry Show. And it's good to be back with you, I'm returning from Foothill Writers Conference, which was 300 strong this year, and many, many people

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from Santa Cruz, so I guess you got the word that we gave you. And all of you who I saw over there, really enjoyed it, and it was good to see you there. I hope next week- next year we have even more. In fact, it is ending right now with a reading

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by Al Young and our own James D. Houston. And I am sitting here about to talk about another poetry group. And why don't we just go right into it, I have three guests tonight, Anita Chundak, Arcana Lux Godchile and Michael Spring. And they have

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formed a new group called the Soulstice Movement, that's spelled S-O-U-L-S-T-I-C-E, which is the latest performing arts alliance and poetry alliance really in the Santa Cruz area. And as I mentioned several weeks ago, with readings at Zachary's

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no more, and the only readings, steady readings in the area being the- the readings at Louden Nelson at the end of every month, it is very important that this new group really establishes itself, and they've got some very

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interesting ideas. Anita, why don't you tell us and I certainly hope that it is going to work. Why don't you tell us? What gave you the idea for this movement?

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Anita Chundak: Well, what gave me the idea was the fact that I work in poetry therapy, I'm a- I'm a poet and a poetry therapist, and I saw so many poets, both in Los Angeles and up here be- sort of leaving their- their chosen art form,

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because of a lack of- of exposure. They had nowhere to go to read or they had nowhere to go for a few hours to share their- their their poetry experience. And I feel that it's very sad, particularly for the young- for the young poet to

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have to ditch his poetry into the closet, so to speak, and totally forget about that important avenue in his- in his life, and- and go into sheetmetal working or something and just give up poetry all together. I feel that while we

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need a vocation- a vocation to support ourselves, we should also keep the spirit of poetry alive in our heart, because it's a very, it's very useful. Now, with poetry therapy, the poet so inclined, who likes working with people, is able to sort of

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mainstream himself and become a useful citizen in the community and at the same time work with his- with his chosen art form. And so that is what we are mainly going to try to do through the Soulstice Movement.

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Morton Marcus: Arcana. Do you concern yourself- let's say a person is not interested in poetry therapy as such, but just wants to get together with other poets, do they have to be concerned with poetry therapy to be welcomed by Soulstice?

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Arcana Lux Godchile: Oh no. In fact, we're doing a series of readings interspersed with workshops on the first and third Sundays of every month through October, we're holding workshops for the general public. And that will be- we will be involved

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with creating poetry, sensibilities of poetry, and performing poetry. Morton Marcus: So the first and third Sundays of every month, and at what time?

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Arcana Lux Godchile: Two to four Morton Marcus: Two to four. And where is this? Arcana Lux Godchile: This is at the Galleria Yogurt Cafe at 740 Front Street in downtown Santa Cruz.

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Morton Marcus: And these will be actual writing workshops that you'll actually go through exercises and things like that. Arcana Lux Godchile: Well, if people bring work, we'll do that. But we might do some group workshop poems there, and we

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might work on presentation, and then we might work on sensibility. Morton Marcus: Okay, sounds good. I know that you agree with what Anita said. How long have you been doing poetry therapy?

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Arcana Lux Godchile: Oh, I've been involved steadily now for about four or five years. And I've been working in mental health facilities and in nursing homes during that time. Morton Marcus: Great. And obviously, you're all poets

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yourself- themselves, yes. Michael, what about you? How did you join this group? Michael Spring: Well, I was publishing a magazine called Paisley Moon, and I came across Anita when she was working at

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the library, I know, and from there we were discussing possibilities doing poetry readings, I used to host readings in Sacramento and- and I wanted to get something going here since it didn't seem like there was very many outlets, at

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least I couldn't find very many when I moved here to Santa Cruz. And so we pretty much just got together and networked this to existence. Morton Marcus: Okay, how- are you going to go out and look for

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poets also? I mean, are you going to, like actively attend, or certainly have advertising up in the readings at Louden Nelson, for example? Anyone can answer. Arcana Lux Godchile: We have an itinerary which is going to take

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us through the fall with people, but we are also in the process of contacting people. And we try to hit as many hotspots as we can. Anita Chundak: And I'd like to add that- that we- one of our

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functions will also be a networking and consulting service for poets. Something perhaps along the lines of the Performing Arts Alliance, which I now volunteer for, and I'm getting lots of experience with, and which the Soulstice Movement

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has also joined. We- we do definitely want to get in touch with other poets as much as possible and we- and- and that will be part of our research plan to go out and attend other readings, certainly.

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Morton Marcus: Okay, sounds- sounds very interesting. You've all been in- in poetry therapy and are obviously psychotherapists and people who work in psychology. Have you ever heard of a book called "Prescriptive Metaphors?" No?

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Anita Chundak: Blank. Morton Marcus: Okay. Well, that's some- one of my guidelines, and I certainly will steer you onto that and tell you about it later, but it is a wonderful book in which the

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therapist says that through metaphors you can heal and he just- really just- literally takes metaphors apart to the point that every single thing a poet does can be used as medicine. And it's an- an incredible book. David Gordon is

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the name of the author and he was one of the early followers of Bandler, and the- I've forgotten the name of the group, but anyway, he then- he left that, but he's- he's absolutely brilliant.

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Anita Chundak: Neurolinguistic? Morton Marcus: Yeah neurolinguistic programer, and he left the group early, and it's just absolutely brilliant, he's written several other books. Anyway. How do you see

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poetry as a transformational tool? Since we're on the subject, and obviously psychology is paramount with the three of you, or at least two of you. Mike, do you share this concern with poetry as therapy?

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Michael Spring: Oh, definitely, yeah. Morton Marcus: Okay. We've established that then. Did you want to answer the question? How do you see poetry then as a transformational tool?

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Arcana Lux Godchile: Well, first of all, prior to transformation, I view poetry as my primary psychic survival tool, personally. Poetry is the mechanism, keeps the channels open between my feelings and my ability to put those feelings

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into thoughts to be expressed first to myself, and later to others, if I so choose. Writing prose poetry grants me permission to dialogue with my unconscious. And I see poetry as the mode engaging functioning at every stop, like up the chakra

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system, like survival, sex, power, the heart, and self expression culminating in spiritual awareness, both personal and universal. Poetry helps me get in touch with deeper levels of myself, and this leads to the development of

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personal mythology as a methodology. Morton Marcus: Okay, and I would therefore ask you what do you mean by personal mythology? Arcana Lux Godchile: Well, what I mean by personal mythology is

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basically descriptive ethics, developing characters, theme, and energy peculiar to one's ongoing relationship with the great rites and passages of all human existence. Morton Marcus: Okay, we will get back to that and- in a few

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moments. Let's- one more comment about the organization before we get more personal with each of you. What has the organization already accomplished as far as you're concerned Anita? Anita Chundak: Okay. Amazing amount, but I consider it-

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Morton Marcus: You got to speak into the microphone. Yeah, folks out there we're having difficulties, we only have two microphones to use tonight. So- Anita Chundak: I consider what we've already done amazing

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considering that we've only been in existence a month, one month, we're babies. And I want to say that the- all of us work together very, very well, it's a really beautiful spiritual triangle here. Okay, we've already- what we've already

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done is given poetry handouts at the library, at the Seabright Brewery, at the Capital Wharf, and by poetry handouts, I mean, like Xerox copies of poems, and we give them out to people. Okay. "The Paisley Moon" as is- is- we consider that one of our

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arms, if you will, and then lots and lots of poetry therapy groups. Both Susan and I have a lot of that behind us. We already joined the Performing Arts Alliance, we've organized and are carrying out Poetry 90 which is a series of poetry

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readings and workshops being held at the Galleria Sundays from two to four through October. Mike is a deliverer of "The Poetry Flash" in this area. "The Poetry Flash" is a poetry newspaper from San Francisco, almost an essential item for all

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poets in the area. And we've also attained a corporate sponsor, which is Satori Teas, and so that's about it. Morton Marcus: Sounds great. Sounds very good. Mike, you said you came from Sacramento. Let's sort of get personal and learn

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about you people. You say you came from Sacramento; why don't you tell us a little bit about where you grew up? Was that where you actually grew up? Michael Spring: No, I- I lived other- many other places

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actually. Sacramento, I would consider the place more home ground, I've moved there around- when I was about 14 and so from there I've grown. I think where most of my growth came was when I became a counselor for children at the Sacramanto

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Children's Home where I was a counselor for neglected and abused children. And in the last year and a half that I worked there, I was- I became a supervisor counselor and it gave me an opportunity to do art and- art therapy and poetry therapy

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which I started there. And then from there, I just increased my wonder for poetry and- in a therapeutic sense, but I also wanted to get more involved in the poetry scene outside of therapy, which I eventually got started in doing poetry

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readings. Morton Marcus: Do you mind me asking how old you are now? Michael Spring: I'm 26 Morton Marcus: Now, it seems as though you really got into

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poetry through therapy. Or were you writing poetry before? Michael Spring: I was writing poetry way before. My dad gave me a back- a book on haiku when I was about 14. And- and that- that's where I started writing haiku for about three or four

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years,and then from there, I pretty much started working on my poetry. Morton Marcus: How long have you been putting out "Paisley Moon?" Michael Spring: Six months now.

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Morton Marcus: Six months. And when did you meet Anita and Archana? Michael Spring: Just after the earthquake. Morton Marcus: So you- in other words, you met them before you

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were putting out Paisley- "Paisley Moon?" Michael Spring: No, I was putting out "Paisley Moon," first issue started in January. Morton Marcus: Okay, the earthquake though is October.

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Michael Spring: Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Morton Marcus: So you did know them before then? Or it must have been- Michael Spring: No, no, no, I did- I met them afterwards.

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Yeah. Morton Marcus: Okay, and obviously you're going to continue, right? Who are your influences in poetry? Michael Spring: Oh, Yeats, Sylvia Plath, and more recently,

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Gary Snyder and Mary Oliver. Morton Marcus: Good reading list, terrific reading list. Arcana, how about you? Where are you from? And you got to speak right into the mic. Yeah.

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Arcana Lux Godchile: I'm from New York City. Morton Marcus: That's all right, so am I. [Laughter] Nothing to be sorry about. When did you decide that you wanted to be a poet?

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Arcana Lux Godchile: And I just started writing a lot. And you know, and then I discovered that there were other people outside myself for- for writing too. I got interested in their writing basically after I started writing. I did some readings

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around the New York area in the 70s and gave it up for a while, and I now I'm back into it. Morton Marcus: Do you do therapy work out here? I mean- Arcana Lux Godchile: Yeah I do, yeah I do.

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Morton Marcus: Who are your favorite poets or influential poets around? Arcana Lux Godchile: Well, my first favorite poet I think Dr. Seuss., A.A. [unidentified], and Robert Louis Stevenson

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Morton Marcus: So you did start writing early. Arcana Lux Godchile: No, I started reading, or being read to early. Morton Marcus: Let's see, who are they today?

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Arcana Lux Godchile: I like Patti Smith. Morton Marcus: Patti Smith. Patti Smith. Yeah. I don't know that. I'm not familiar with her. Arcana Lux Godchile: Well she's- she's a poet performer. I work a

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lot with mixed media, you know with- with drama. And yeah, I like people that- that combine the form of poetry with other forms. Morton Marcus: Becoming more and more popular.

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Arcana Lux Godchile: I like performance poetry. Morton Marcus: Have you ever seen Genny Lim perform? Arcana Lux Godchile: No. I haven‘t. Morton Marcus: Anita, when did you start getting interested in

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the art of poetry? Anita Chundak: Okay, I started my writing in 1944 when I was 12 years old, and it was at a place you probably know, Mort, at Woodhaven Park, it's right inbetween Queens and Brooklyn, a

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very wild affair, and I loved going there, sneaking off, and- and I would look- look around and say, "Wow, this is it, not that other stuff out there." And- and- and then I started writing there and wrote poetry all through high school and most

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of my life. I- it just- it seems natural for my inner being to translate life into poet- poetry. Morton Marcus: Hmm, very good. Anita Chundak: So-

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Morton Marcus: How did you wind your way out here, and I can ask Arcana the same thing? Anita Chundak: Okay, I met up with a crazy artist, what else [laughs], and we ended up in Taos, New Mexico. That's no

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place for a New York City woman, not 1957 Taos. Yeah. Morton Marcus: It was a great artist colony, though. Anita Chundak: Right, right, it was. Morton Marcus: Probably better then than now.

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Anita Chundak: Right. But I got scared because there was nowhere to work Morton Marcus: What do you mean? Anita Chundak: For money.

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Morton Marcus: Oh, for money. Anita Chundak: Yeah. So now I could definitely stand it. And then we wound up in North Beach and down to Los Angeles. I lived in Monrovia for 20 years, and then I had a commune in

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Hollywood during the 60s, late 60s and early 70s. And- and then I moved up here, I moved up here in 1981. Morton Marcus: And have you been working in therapy since then, or-?

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Anita Chundak: Yes. Morton Marcus: Or is it recent? Anita Chundak: You know, I- I thought I discovered poetry therapy all by myself one day in the bathtub because I had been

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to lots of- I was part of the human- Human Potential Movement and I had been to lots of- 10 years of of therapy, and had conducted many therapy groups, and- and I loved poetry. And then I said, one day I said, ‘‘I've got it, why not put the

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two together.‘‘ And the very next week a girlfriend of mine who was attending Immaculate Heart College came back with a- a notice about a seminar in poetry therapy. [Laughs] So see someone else had invented it, and that's someone else happened

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to be Arthur Lerner, a very great man. And so I applied to- and he had a poetry therapy institute for 30 years already, and so I applied to go to it and he accepted me, and I studied there for two and a half years.

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Morton Marcus: Where was this? Anita Chundak: In Los Angeles Morton Marcus: Arcana, how did you weave your way out to California? Oh, and when?

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Arcana Lux Godchile: I've been living here about 10 years. And I lived in the country for a while, and- to get away from the intensity of New York City, and I basically moved from way out in the sticks and- near Sacramento, and I went to the

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Santa Cruz Mountains, and then gradually worked my way into town. I really wanted to get away from the city for a while. Morton Marcus: Yeah, sounds very intelligent. [Chuckles] Arcana Lux Godchile: Thank you, sir.

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Morton Marcus: I find when I go back to New York City, I just cannot wait to get out. It's just like I've entered Dante's Inferno. [Laughter] It‘s just crazier and crazier every time I go.

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Arcana Lux Godchile: I must concur and I felt- I feel that I have less and less willingness or ability to deal with it, to be honest with you. Morton Marcus: Well, I think there are a lot of us here from

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New York, actually, and we found- find inner peace, which- I don't know about you, but our relatives don't seem to understand because they have been so caught up in the life back there. But anyway, what I would like to do, and we are

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talking away here, is I would like to hear some of your poetry. Arcana Lux Godchile: Okay. Morton Marcus: Okay? And who should we start off with?

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Anita Chundak: Mike. Morton Marcus: Michael, you got it. And if you've just tuned in - as Michael looks for a poem which he is not expecting to be asked to read at this point - we are talking to the three

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founders of Soulstice, the Soulstice Movement, which the- Well, the people are Anita Chundak, Arcana Godchile, and Mike Spring who is going to read for us in a few moments. They have organized the latest poetry group in Santa Cruz and

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unfortunately one of the only groups in Santa Cruz, a poetry group that is concerned with poetry as therapy, but will provide a place for poets to get together every Sunday. And it is every Sunday isn't it? At the-

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Arcana Lux Godchile: Hold on, that- we work the first four Sundays and if there's a fifth Sunday in the month, we have a vacation. Morton Marcus: Oh, okay.

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Arcana Lux Godchile: So working first and third workshops, second and first- excuse me, second and fourth readings. Morton Marcus: Okay, first and third workshops, just come on in, there- they'll be happy to see you, and second and fourth

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there will be readings which will be advertised, I'm sure. Arcana Lux Godchile: And we have- [cross-talk] Arcana Lux Godchile: Yeah. Morton Marcus: And this is at the Yogurt Shop on the second

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Morton Marcus: -the Galleria, right? floor Arcana Lux Godchile: -an actua itinerary of our season. Would We'd like to also mention that we have the assistance of some

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Morton Marcus: Sure [unidentified]. And I think we ou li ll announce this also at the half hour and then at the end f the show as well, you know. W just keep mentioning this p

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int so people can come down. marvelous musicians. I know it's very awkward, but what Anita says that, "We do have the assistance of some musicians as well."

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Michael Spring: Right, and I can tell you about the list on July 8, we're gonna have a reading, Paul Morrison, Alyssa Lauren, and Christopher Angel, is quite diverse. Alyssa is the only one from Santa Cruz, Paul's from Sacramento, and Christopher's

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from Monterey. And in July, we're going to have Climbing Sun and Marie Dames, that is July 22. And in August, we'll have Elizabeth, what was-? Gibbs, Cynthia Jack. And in September, we're gonna have a Sacramento and Colorado reading, B.L

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Kennedy who's a Sacramento promoter himself, and we have Jean Black and Petra, who is from Colorado. And of course in October, we're going to have a Poetry Fest and we're going to have a poet's theatre production with a play by Paul Morrison,

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called "The Young Alcoholics." Morton Marcus: Is that in connection with some national poetry week that occurs in- Michael Spring: Yeah, I'm aware that- yeah, San Francisco has a

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big one, we kind of wanted to bring something this way too. Morton Marcus: Well, be sure to hit us with advertisements every couple of weeks, and make sure that we announc it here on the show.

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Michael Spring: Okay. Morton Marcus: That's one of the things that we do and we'll be very happy to do it. Well, let us have one poem from each of you then, and then we will take our break, and then we will come

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back, talk some more, read some more poetry. So Michael. Michael Spring: Okay, so it is a two part poem called: ALL THAT I KNOW, ALL THAT I KNEW into sky. Wind became a ladder or levels to climb, love

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[unidentified] the sound of wind chimes and stood massive in my head. The artist in me wanted to fly out like a net of light, catching every object, making them transform to the highest potentials or intensities, but it didn't. Instead it slid down

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the stem of some mysterious flower, sliding closer to the stairway that leads deeper into seeds, and all that I knew wanted to move out across the borderless fields of the sea, to touch twilight, than to burn down, to melt back into the

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branch of body. Part Two: With shelves of understanding I searched for more, known I will only find a drawer with 100 files of rough sketches, skeletons and webs, only ideas, but maybe I could

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push from my desk and find that the birds outside my window have been waiting for me to feel what they knew, waiting for me to step into sky, to allow every bone to clench into a fetal ball than to transform and explode with feathered limbs stretching,

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dipping into sky's amniotic blue. Morton Marcus: Arcana. Arcana Lux Godchile: Okay, I'm gonna read a little short piece called

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FIRST POEM For the love of God, with the warmth and breath of God, these flowers you pressed in my hand, they flood the room. Separate the waters from the waters, the parting sea reveals dry land,

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new fervor, and suddenly a fountain of forgiveness, a forest of ecstasy. Morton Marcus: And Anita Chundak. Anita Chundak: Okay. This was a poem that was done in

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conjunction with my daughter and it's- so it's- so it was a famil operation: she wrote the firs and the last verse which wer very small, and then I had o fill in the entire midd e because it's about her fath r, whom she never knew ,and

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she needs- she needed my assist nce. And it's cal [UNIDENTIFIED] A MI PADRE CU ANO Each heavy tear caresses my cheek as I read the blaring black ink. Died a stowaway aboard the SS Cordoba on the

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fourth of August 1959, Brooklyn, New York, age 35. Always escaping Cuba for your beloved phantasmagorical world and Estados Unidos. Though my mother left you when I was one year old, I have learned so much about you from mi mama. Gazing

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through beautiful hazel eyes, hanging out on 42nd Street, living out its limbo, wearing your cool white nylon shirt ready for a meeting at the automat, clothing courtesy of affluent airport suitcases, taking the high dive at an East

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Harlem swimming pool, dancing the Mambo to Perez Prato sounds at the Roseland Ballroom, wheeling, dealing over a plate of plaintain fritos and [unidentified] cutting the dice and a bet on Kid Gavilan over una cerveza at Monte

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[unidentified]. Being [unidentified] descarga de la ciudad to the strain of Carlos Gardel Tangos, working as a waiter, elevator operator, confidence man, gigolo. Rikers Island, prisoners' purgatory, petty larceny, cruising las

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Rubios outside the Latin quarter, toque un grifo con amigos musico al Copacabana, carne asada in the early morning hours at Lasalle's cafeteria. Falling of fatigue into unfamiliar ghetto's doorways, solemn sojourns in dusty

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furnished rooms ambitious billy club detectives, ancient [unidentified], can openers, revolver [unidentified] albino hitmen, unending pawn shops and their tickets. What did you love about America, papito mio? You named me Cochita. Marriage to a

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black-dressed pregnant poetess and yellow flowers, trips back to Ellis Island but never from. New Orleans, Mexico, Tampico, Miami, all cities become alike while running, enjoying life on the streets, freedom fighter, jailbird, sleeping the L, all

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night cinema houses, twilight prayers at St. Patrick's, Hell's Kitchen assignations, hushed evening vigils at Bryant Park. And I think I know you, mi padre cubano, when I read about Cuba. He had the name Cuba. When I dance the mambo, rumba, bolero

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and cha-cha-cha in an Afro-Cuban style. When I sink into happiness, hearing some sensuous salsa and jazz latino while boiling rice and smelling the fragrance of black beans simmering, I know you, mi padre cubano, smiling out of clear

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blue eyes, I say to myself, ‘‘mi vida es loca like my father's and we are together in the rhythm of life.‘‘ Morton Marcus: We have been talking with and will continue to talk with the three founders of the Soulstice Movement, which

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meets the first four Sundays of every month. The first and third This is Morton Marcus again and it's time for a party New Orleans style. You're invited to a hot event on Sunday July the first, the fifth annual KS- KUSP Chomp and Stomp held in Aptos

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Village Park just off Highway 1, and just ask anyone in Aptos illage where it is, though I ould just say follow the cars. he Chomp and Stomp is ynonymous with a best of the Sunday are workshops, and the second and fourth Sunday are

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ayou, complete with Cajun Honky onk Waltzes in two steps, or haunting ballads and blues from BeauSoleal, that is Be uSoleil., featuring Louisiana orn fiddler Michael Doucet, th California Cajun Orchestra ith Danny Pollard on accordio

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, and Susie Thompson on fiddle w 'll be back. Blues stylist Angela Straily and Paul Diret- o Paul Durkett, and The Trouble akers are also featured perform nce for the lively day. And of ourse, as you know, to get a gen ine Louisiana feel you must

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ave a full menu of authe tic foods and they will be avail readings. And we will be back after a musical break. And we'll ble, ranging from seafood jamba aya, hotlinks, red beans and r ce, chicken, gumbo, oyste s, cornbread, salad, barbe

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ued chicken, watermelon, and s uthern desserts. So that's Sunda , July 1, the Chomp and Stomp event, it goes from noon to si o'clock at the Aptos Park so be there. I have usually been cooki g out there and serving thing , and you'll see many of the

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Js from the station out ther , and they will be helping you and having a wonderfully enj yable time. This is really one hear some more poetry and talk some more with the three of the great annual events of anta Cruz. Let me also tell you

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that the Sunday evening KUSP Sun ay night special, which goes fr m 9 to 11pm is our most un redictable program. From Jul 1, that is again this Sun ay night as you're driving hom with a whole lot of red be ns in your tummy, we have th

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s: Earthworks. On April 20, 19 0, the Earth Day Santa Cruz co mittee presented Earthworks, po try to honor the poets who to k this approach- What did he sa ? Who is he? Earthworks po try to honor the earth and al of creation. Poets who took th

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stage that night included Ma de Meehan, Patrice Vecchione, Fr ncisco Alarcon, Jean Guyer, St ve Meadows, Amber Coverdale Su merall, Gail- Gail Rosier, E ba Sanchez, and whoops, Morton arcus, well, that's me. And es, it was a very, very nice

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eading and I hope we have the ntroduction by Gary Patterson rom the city council, he just id a beautiful introduction and ead part of ‘‘Sir Gawain and he Green Knight,‘‘ showing one f his many different sides. So e sure to, one: attend the Chom

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and Stomp at Aptos Park from 1 until six o'clock, and then fro nine to 11 on Sunday nigh listen to Earthworks Poetry t honor the earth and all o creation, recorded April 2 , 1990 at the big theater i Loudon Nelson Center. So, thi

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is MortonMarcus again and we ar going to be continuing ou program which features the fou founders of the Soulstice founders. Arcana Lux Godchile: Who‘s the fourth Marx Bro

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Morton Marcus: Oh, I'm sorry. [Laughter] He retired, didn't he? [Laughter] It's the three founders. Zippo is not here tonight. He's become a lighter. Arcana Lux Godchile: He's vacationing in Manhattan.

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Anita Chundak: Become a lighter! [Laughter] Morton Marcus: I like "become a lighter," but I also like he's vacationing in Manhattan. Okay. Let's see, I've got some questions here. Mike Spring is

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one of the founders, Arcana Godchile is another, and Anita Chundak is yet another. And I have in front of me an issue of "Paisley Moon," in fact, it's the June 19, 90 issue of "Paisley Moon." And where did you get the name "Paisley Moon,"

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Michael? Michael Spring: Oh, well, it was a long story. I have a friend that I was working with when I was working at the Children's Home, and we came out with a- with a magazine for the children

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and he became the publisher and I became the editor for this new idea. And we had no name for a- for a magazine at the time, but we knew we wanted- we wanted to cater to poetry and the arts. And we were making pretty much fun of, like, paisley ties and-

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versus power ties, and what paisley was in the 60s and- and that whole idea and so we- Arcana Lux Godchile: That‘s juvenile Michael Spring: Yeah.

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Arcana Lux Godchile: How‘d you know. Michael Spring: Yeah, and we just we wanted something Moon that seemed to to work with us and- and because you're talking so much paisley that we made that "Paisley Moon."

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Morton Marcus: Very good. I'm also looking for your sheet here, which of course I've conveniently mislaid somewhere, or inconveniently, obviously. Well, okay. What is your vision with "Paisley Moon" and in what way really does it relate to the

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Soulstice Movement and, let's say, will you be taking poems from poets who read at the Yogurt Shop, or what? Michael Spring: Oh, we do have plans with the poetry from the people who are reading at the- at the- at the readings; we want

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to gather one or two poems and put them in an anthology at the end of the year- Morton Marcus: Oh, great Michael Spring: -for that, but as for "Paisley Moon," it's-

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it's a- it's a national magazine, hopefully soon to be International. It- it- I'm just looking for the best quality, or just a good visionary poem to- to put in each issue, and I want many voices in that. And it's- I'm changing the format, it's

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been mainly in the newsletter format, and now it's gonna be more like a chapbook. It was originally eight pages, and it's going to 12 to 15 now, and- and of course, it'll be featuring poetry and art, which is- I'll be doing more like pen and ink

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art. Morton Marcus: Okay, great. And now you've got how many pages here? Michael Spring: Yeah, that issue-

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Morton Marcus: Around eight pages. Michael Spring: Yeah, that was the old issue. And now- now it's gonna be more- smaller and more condensed, and more like a booklet, easy to read.

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Morton Marcus: Great. Okay, why don't this time, as I ask you questions, you can punch away what you say, each of you, with a poem. So Michael, how about another poem? Michael Spring: Okay. Okay, this one's dedicated to my child,

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first child, Tyson. And hi! I want to say hi to Tyson's here, I know they're listening right now. This is called: OCEAN CLIFF My thoughts never fell so hard as they did when my son beside

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me jIlted from his tide pool gaze, startled as the cliffs suddenly exploded a wave, My eyes swallowed, struck Zen temple gongs, awareness drums as inner slap sticks clapped forward like bombs, awaken the gull‘s wings of my mind, the

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face of soft rock, cragged, slippery to the step said, ‘‘no dancing here if you want to live,‘‘ three birds agreed as they broke into sky. The wave revealed the veins in its belly curve, and nothing was more real than my son clasping my leg,

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cringing from the thick spray, turned from bladed waxy fingers when he told me that the waves are scary fireworks and in that if the ocean grabbed us, we'd break and we hit the water. Morton Marcus: And Arcana Godchile is another one of the

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founders and I'm gonna ask you a question too. I don't know that it's one that you want me to ask you. Could you talk about the appreciation of poetry as a healing art? Arcana Lux Godchile: Sure, sure, I'd love to. Um, well, I see

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poetry as a benign type of healing modality. There is no pressure brought to bear on suffering individuals by the muse. Poetry helps open up the sanctum of one's own inner child, There, I see poetry is the kind of playground of the

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soul, an opportunity for release, communication, and prayer. People recovering from different traumas and abuses can find meaning, solace and healing by developing the poet in themselves. I love this because I get to read it. Okay. Poetry,

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poetry is a great tool helping people connect with themselves and others. It's particularly applicable to people isolated in nursing homes, prisons, and mental institutions, also the people who are strangers to themselves through the use of

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negative coping patterns which shut off their ability to feel. I‘m talking about like addictive compulsive behavior. There is a lot of us out there who can greatly benefit by a surrender to the heart and hand of the poetic experience.

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Morton Marcus: Certainly agree with that. How about a poem from you, and maybe one which will just illustrate what you just said. And of course, anything you're going to read is illustrated what you just said. So-

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Arcana Lux Godchile: Which ones should I read here? Can I read two? Morton Marcus: No, we'll come back. We'll come back? Okay.

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Arcana Lux Godchile: Love is the power of the universe and I vow to be dispenser and recipient, ebb and flow. I'm lonely for that sky held cliff on which we stood, together unfurled, gazing ever so gently out on forever, seabreeze and I know the place,

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I know the experience soul to soul, and I claim that seascape, land beyond the horizon, rightful inheritance, clearing free rocks and gnarlings, smooth pebbles set to rest in harbor drifts. Walkway of wonder, this house will erect itself, cheery

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curtains to the world over the threshold, soul house, soul house, the groom our father which art in heaven hallowed be thy bride of earth and air, fire, water, feathers, and chain proud marble, and soft soft squint of summer through bay

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windows peering ever so wisely. Oh spirit, your love comes pouring through like the sun and every drop of rain. Morton Marcus: Okay, and Anita. One of the problems I see and we will do the advertising here, how are you getting word around?

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And how- whether you get word around about the events coming up? I mean, we've had them announced tonight and people out there know them, but let's say there are many, many people who are not listening. Well, no worries, is there some place

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where you'll have a poster or something where people can always depend on finding out information, or even several places? Anita Chundak: All right, well, the- if they if they call the

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the PAA hotline the- it will be on that. Unfortunately, I don't have the number but they could call 426-0888 or 458-3442 and someone will always get back to them if someone isn't there to tell them.

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Morton Marcus: Okay, can you repeat those numbers again and I will repeat them at the end of the show Anita Chundak: 458-3442 Morton Marcus: Okay

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Anita Chundak: 423-0168 Morton Marcus: Okay Anita Chundak: and 426-0888 Morton Marcus: Very good. Okay, terrific. Let's hear some of

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your poetry. Anita Chundak: Okay. Um- this is a poem called ALCHEMY that I wrote when I first came to Santa Cruz. Within the bone dry arenas of mind stand many unkempt,

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unwanted, and undone. All of them finding, getting in touch with their own personal sorrows, immediately and simultaneously necessary. Is there smell enough, and sight, and touch, and taste, and sound for all the odoriferous scents, voluminous

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visions, motionless emotions, lollipops and decibels. Are the years enough in yearless paradise for transpiring each eternities? The poet wears out his health and improves heaven. Morton Marcus: Good one. Let us now reverse our way of going

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backwards and Anita you get a chance to read another poem. Anita Chundak: Oh, wow, hits me unprepared. Morton Marcus: Okay, well, we can talk about something. I'll talk to Michael. When people come to the Yogurt Shop, will

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there be copies of "Paisley Moon" for them to see? Michael Spring: Yeah, that's one very countable place that it will be at. Morton Marcus: Where are some of the others? I take it "Paisley

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Moon" is free? Michael Spring: No, it um- it will be- it's 75 cents per issue. I don't have any advertisement or anything like that so I need help with money too.

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Morton Marcus: Okay, that sounds fine, that sounds fine. I shouldn't have made that assumption. Michael Spring: That‘s fine. Morton Marcus: Where would you- where would one be able to find

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an issue? Michael Spring: Well, right now I'm looking for other places to distribute them. And I'll be looking around at book shops around town and- but mainly I'm- I take subscriptions through the

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mail and- and they are always with me at poetry readings and new grants. Morton Marcus: Okay, terrific. Do you want to give the address or just-

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Michael Spring: Oh yeah. Morton Marcus: This is for "Paisley Moon" Michael Spring: Alright. P.O. Box 2373, Santa Cruz, and the zip code is 95063.

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Morton Marcus: Okay, one more time. Michael Spring: Okay P.O, Box 2373, Santa Cruz 95063 Morton Marcus: Okay, and if you didn't hear that just come down to what will be a workshop this- yes, for the next- so this

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Sunday is a workshop right? And so people can come down and just see what's going on, pick up a copy of "Paisley Moon." Michael Spring: This issue should be out Morton Marcus: And the newest issues will be out. Okay, great.

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Michael Spring: Right. Morton Marcus: And it is a monthly? Michael Spring: Right. Morton Marcus: Okay, Anita, you're ready?

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Anita Chundak: Okay, this is my most recent poem and it was inspired by a young girl sitting in the bus, and it's called: THE VIRGIN SHEPHERDESS So brown and azure deep, my love lies in her sleep, her soul

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waits eager, poised to seize me in my days. All humble, dream-eyed peasant girl with stride and heavy gate, your depth describes the width of whirlpools. How many centuries will you wait? The flock awaits and seeks its guide. The day

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breaks hard, the fields so wide, and she, she stirs so blissfully from sleep not yet defiled, by strange conquistadors or heroes bold and wild. So brown and azuredeep, my love lies in her sleep, her soul waits eager poised to seize me in my days.

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Morton Marcus: Very nice, and Arcana. Arcana Lux Godchile: This is called YOU ARE THE CRUCIBLE You are the crucible in which I am tried, tested, and tempered.

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Cold steel against which my effulgence waxes and wanes, heartily aggrandizement, without which I languishedly reclined is constantly slack until your militant stipulations grip me mightily. You are my fiery hard rock, bone pit of contention,

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thorn in my proverbial side, rub me wrong, but rub me until I glean molten, rot, and recast by passion transubstantiated, lead into gold, poison to honey, tenderness near extinguished, fearfully smoldering, fighting for the life of our love, a

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furnace forging friction into flame. You are my crucible. Morton Marcus: Yes. And Michael again. Michael Spring: WITH OUR MUSIC It could be that whatever world we've been to or dreamed of we

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could bring back, maybe not with orchestra, or band, or computer, perhaps only a single flute or voice could pull the wavery strings from the cocoon we're shelled in. How many times must we ask the water to take us back before it will? Before we could

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reach out and untie the knotted mess of contradictive mythologies thad given one day will become bird, than the next will eat bird as a leathery faced limbless devil or a leathery face limbless God. It is the way we twist our bodies

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wanting some kind of metamorphosis or change, or the way we desire to crack our skulls allowing worms into our brain, allowing earth to take what is hers before our souls could slip out and seep into the available light, to become

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acoustic trees, or stretch of sky, or no thing, or no thought state of timelessness, or a globe of rain falling an empty space. It could be that our music is all we have, whatever music is to develop our departure or transformation into

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something else. Morton Marcus: Very nice. As we move on to 5 of 10, how about last words from each of you, things that I haven't asked, things that you would like to get over to the audience out

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there, final things? And if you have a short poem, short poem to end at, we should have time for all of that, believe it or not, from the three of you. So Michael, how about we go back the other way now. Some final words on Soulstice that you'd

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like our 50,000 listeners plus out there to know. Michael Spring: Come on out and enjoy yourself. Morton Marcus: That's good and again, they're enjoying themselves on Sundays from two to four, and that is at the

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Yogurt Shop in the Galleria in Santa Cruz. And the first and third week will be- the first and third Sunday will be workshops, that's this Sunday, and then the second and fourth will be readings which are scheduled, and you can find out

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what they are down there. Okay, got a poem for us? Michael Spring: Sure. IT IS DANCE It is dance that stands out, that takes me down to hidden

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doorways, and the globes of dew that tall grasses hold. It is a long stare in the mirror. It is a deer branching its head upward beside the path, that his ears takes in the cosmos of sound. I would not- I will not deny questioning my steps as I spin

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off the stage. I will not take flight as my dance will attempt. I mean, at least I will not lift into the air and flicker with moths. I will only display the dream tasting light. Morton Marcus: Very nice. And Arcana? Anything you want to say

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before you read your last poem, about Soulstice? Okay. It has been said, folks. Arcana Lux Godchile: MAMA'S PEGASUS I was conceived in the heat of the night, born without sin, a

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mammal of light, sputtering, spewing, roaring at top speed, stampeding, clusters of stars in my wake, heart of the goddess, no mortal dare break, I kick ass. I got class. My mother is a patient, pure stretch of sky, and I am mama's Pegasus. I am no

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damned horse of the apocalypse. No old gray mare who ain't what she once used to be. I am not whipped into submission. I am my own property, me. I am swift in the heavens, no midnight rider to weigh me down. I carry only gentle snow, my back is strong,

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but my load is spare, stri e smooth as silver, I had be n broken long ago and never agai . While oats sown and gather d, weathered, thrashed and c red, dead empire into god I'm branded the goddesses glo ious golden stallion, I am m

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ma's Pegasus, got wings, can fly Look Ma, no stops, no ga s, no strains, no lover's tr ps, no strings, no threats, no c urning cement mixer bit, no anger ons. I ain't no sky hook r, no dynamite blast cook, no dy amite clip blasting up my

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acred mountain. No rocks, no g avel, no chains, no pain, no de th, I was born without sin, con eived in the heat of the night Shot straight out of my father' love gun. No blank, no fluke. I am no mistake of nature or of an. I am mama's Pegasus, got

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great wings, can real Morton Marcus: Okay, Anita actually we have time for either a statement or a poem. Anita Chundak: Oh my God, that's a terrible choice. Okay, I do- I

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do want to say that- that my influences were Arthur Rimbaud, Jean Cocteau, Maxwell Bodenheim, and Bob Kaufman. For- for- I would like to also say that that Soulstice needs donations of an office, office equipment, and/or used poetry books.

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Morton Marcus: Okay, do you have a real short poem with some lines that you really like? Anita Chundak: Okay. This is a standard of the type of poetry I write, the exist- standard example.

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The fire leaps without its bounds, without the circle it goes round before the hounds howl, and as it leaps, leaps all desire without bounds, without sound. And that's called

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STILL Morton Marcus: Very good. Thank you very much. We have been talking to the three founders of Soulstice, the Soulstice Movement, and that is Mike Spring, our Arcana Godchile, and

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Anita Chundak, right? Anita Chundak: Mhm Morton Marcus: And I want to remind you that this new organization, which is already in existence, you had around

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25-30 people at your first reading last week? Anita Chundak: Right, right. Morton Marcus: Now there every Sunday, that is the first four Sundays of every month from two to four o'clock at the Yogurt

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Shop in the Galleria, which is that complex, which includes Long's Drugs and Zanotto's Groceries. So go on out and take part in this new group and what they want to offer Santa Cruz and you can be part of it. The other group is presenting its

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monthly reading, and that is the Louden Nelson Community Center readings. This is going to be a special reading, writers from the 1990 Spring Summer issue of the Porter Gulch Review, another literary gem from the county which is published by Cabrillo

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College or at Cabrillo College and this will include Amber Coverdale Sumrall, David Thorne, Tom Maloney, Mo [unidentified]. Okay, Francis Chairman, Bernice Rendrick, Kevin Gallagher, and Susan Dorf. This starts at 7:30 this Friday night, it is free

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and there will be an ope reading afterwards and that i of course at Louden Nelso Community Center. Let me jus say that KUSP thanks Van Angl for providing a grant to hel make this program possible Nicholas Van Angle is a realto

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in Carmel. Thank you agai , Nicholas. Again, come out to t Anita Chundak: Thank you Mort, appreciate it. e Chomp and Stomp, it's one of t e big events, it also real y supports this radio station. 2 noon, obviously 12 noon is

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2 noon, and that is this Sund y till six o'clock at the Apt s Park. Delicious food and f course, good Cajun music. e there then from nine to 11 th s Sunday, the Earth Day readi g that took place at Louden Nels n Community Park, such people

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s Maude Meehan, Francisc Alecan Steve Meadows ar part of this reading. T is is Morton Marcus, I'll be ba k in two weeks. Joey should be etter within the week, if h 's not here next week, then I will be here again. And we'll

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robably have one of my long lo t birthday shows for a poet who has gone to the great poetry sou stice movement in the sky. And t ank the three of you really for being here, it was great to h ar what you have to say, and i 's great that you're doing this

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Thank you very much. Morton Marcus: And as the poets wind their way out of the studios here at KUSP we prepare for the "Out Front, Outback" program. My name is Steve Lacey, I'm filling in for Larry Blood

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this week, and hope you'll stick- stick with us until midnight tonight. We'll be bringing you modern jazz, starting with Freddie Hubbard and his rendition of "Summertime." This program is made possible in part by a grant

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from Logos Books and Records and we appreciate their support. Logos Books and Records features used CDs at Laurel and Chestnut, across from the ice house in Santa Cruz.